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    EdwardEdward
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      I have a 5.7 in a 1997 GMC, the distributor cap oxidizes up inside and causes a miss fire / cross fire condition. Im only getting about 6 months out of a cap and rotor.
      My suspicion is that condensation from inside the engine from the cooling of the engine after shut down is being pushed up through the distributor shaft as steam. I feel this is what is causing the cap to oxidize and cause this problem.
      I have a new distributor but there is no timing degree setting listed under the hood on the decal. Is the only way to set the timing by having it hooked up to a computer? I know I can get it close but want to do it right.
      any help or ideas?
      thanks Ed

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    • #555619
      college mancollege man
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        The pcm sets the timing. But the distributor has to be
        installed correctly.If the timing was correct before.
        either bring it to tdc or mark the distributor and rotor.
        pull the old and put the new in the exact spot it came out.
        see if these links help.

        http://www.justanswer.com/gm/5jyrl-set-distributor-1997-gmc-sierra-1500-5-7-vortec.html

        http://www.justanswer.com/gmc/68ho3-gmc-sierra-2500-trying-replace-distributor-1997-gmc.html

        http://www.gmtruckclub.com/forum/showthread.php/38045-1997-GMC-Distributor-Timing

        #557094
        EricTheCarGuy 1EricTheCarGuy
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          The cap should be vented to prevent that. Sometimes they vent through the distributor itself. As for setting the timing, you DO need a computer to help you set it after replacing the distributor on that vehicle. You also have to get it into the correct position when you replace it. This can be challenging if you don’t have access to the a scan tool that can do this.

          Another thought that comes to mind is the parts that you’re using. Some parts are better than others, if you keep having an issue with one brand you might want to try a different one.

          Keep us posted on your progress.

          #557608
          EdwardEdward
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            thanks Eric and thanks College man
            I do have access to a snap on scan tool that I do think it told me the timing. however how do I find the correct timing degree cause the label under the hood does not give me a degree.
            As College man link showed me the distributor has a square notch that looks like it will only lock in in one position.
            I am using what is suppose to be the best cap and rotor that auto zone sells for my truck {copper terminals} the aluminum terminal ones don’t last as long.
            I just got my new distributor in from ROCK AUTO now just to get the time to get it installed.
            ill let you know how it goes
            again thanks a lot love your channel and you tube videos.

            #557656
            college mancollege man
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              Keep us posted on your progress. 🙂

              #557679
              george gonzalezgeorge gonzalez
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                There is a TSB about this– the vent holes in the base of the cap, or is it the distributor base? The holes or screens get clogged with your basic filth. Dang filth. Hate the stuff. Anyway, take some toothpicks or a toothbrush (not your own) to the vent holes and screens. If you’re a real buckeroo, consider drilling a few more vent holes through the base of the cap. Going on 100 years and GM still can’t make a good distributor. Don’t try flushing the screens out with brake cleaner, the residual fumes will blow up the cap.

                Also if your car has the cold AC pipe running over the distributor, condensation drips off that and makes things worse. Slip a piece of pipe insulating foam over the cold pipe and tie it down with baling wire, or with actual hi temp capable tie wraps for a more professional look.

                #557697
                Kevin CriswellKevin Criswell
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                  http://www.tomorrowstechnician.com/Content/Site301/SmartProducts/PATTERNFAILURES_00000000860.pdf

                  Plagued with Problems by Design

                  The presence of a white or tan residue on the inner walls of
                  the cap and rotor, and the terminals will be encrusted
                  (see illustration 1).

                  The contaminants are conductive and
                  can promote a misfire condition, resulting in misfire
                  codes being stored in the diagnostic memory.
                  Inspect the base of the distributor and the distributor
                  shaft for the presence of rust. While the distributor
                  housing is made of plastic, you are looking for an
                  accumulation of debris from other internal metal components.
                  Components that are affected by corrosion
                  should be replaced. The accumulation of debris in the
                  distributor housing can restrict the ventilation screens.
                  Most technicians are not aware that this style distributor
                  is fitted with vent screens, as the distributors on these
                  applications seldom have to be pulled for service, with
                  the exception of replacing the intake manifold gaskets.
                  The vents are positioned at the base of the distributor and
                  are almost impossible to see with the distributor mounted
                  in the engine (see illustration 2). In fact, the screens are
                  easily missed while viewing the distributor on a work
                  bench. The two vent screens are approximately the
                  diameter of a pencil eraser and they are easily plugged
                  when debris is present. The frequency in which they plug
                  increases with vehicle mileage. Naturally, as the engine
                  wears, the blow-by gases increase, thus an increase in
                  the gases collected in the distributor housing. A malfuncccasionally
                  you will encounter a system or component
                  that develops a history of pattern failures
                  that can elude your best efforts. Problems or premature
                  failures can result from a manufacturing defect with a
                  component, a problem due to the design of the system,
                  or a secondary system malfunction may lead to a premature
                  component failure. When the industry encounters
                  the same failures or circumstances, then most likely you
                  are dealing with a design issue. It is unlikely that multiple
                  manufacturers of the same part would make the same
                  manufacturing mistakes. Identifying and acknowledging
                  these issues early on are imperative in making an
                  accurate diagnosis in a timely manner, and in maintaining
                  good customer relations.
                  GM trucks and SUVs equipped with the Vortec engine
                  are good examples of an ignition system that has developed
                  some common failures that would be considered
                  a normal characteristic. Distributor cap and rotor contamination,
                  resulting in a misfire condition and stored
                  misfire codes, has become a common occurrence. The
                  codes may be cylinder-specific or random misfire codes.
                  It is not uncommon to remove the distributor cap on one
                  of these engines and observe heavy deposits of a white
                  or tan powdery residue. The distributor caps used on
                  these applications are susceptible to more than just
                  contamination problems. Read on for a thorough description
                  of some of the problems and possible solutions.
                  POOR DISTRIBUTOR VENTILATION
                  The aforementioned ignition system has encountered
                  excessive levels of distributor cap corrosion, resulting in
                  internal arcing and misfiring. Many technicians are of
                  the opinion that the type of metal used in the construction
                  of the terminals is the reason for the heavy concentrations
                  of deposits and misfire conditions. This is not the
                  case. GM has acknowledged what we have suspected all
                  along, that the corrosion condition and the heavy deposit
                  formation is the result of inadequate ventilation in
                  the distributor housing. The gases collect in the distributor
                  cap and housing, and in the presence of heat and high
                  voltage, form corrosive deposits, resulting in internal
                  arcing and misfire conditions. When these conditions
                  are present, the cap and rotor will usually reflect the
                  ILLUSTRATION 1:
                  LIGHT CORROSION DUE TO POOR VENTILATION
                  MIGHTY DISTRIBUTING SYSTEM OF AMERICA
                  tion in the PCV system can produce the same results. The
                  vent screens should be washed with a solvent, such as
                  brake clean, and any contamination expelled with air
                  pressure. Wear safety glasses to prevent an eye injury.
                  These conditions have prompted GM to release two
                  revised distributors that incorporate larger air-flow screens
                  for improved ventilation. GM recognizes 2001–2003
                  trucks and SUVs equipped
                  with 4.3L, 5.0L or 5.7L
                  engines as being the recipients
                  of the revised distributors.
                  Our research
                  shows that both distributors
                  (V-6 P/N 93441559
                  and V-8 P/N 93441558)
                  can retrofit applications
                  back to 1996. The list
                  prices of the distributors
                  from GM are $303.78 for
                  the V-6 and $447.75 for
                  the V-8. Considering the
                  cost of the replacement
                  distributor, many opt for a
                  clean-up of the existing
                  distributor.
                  MOISTURE ACCUMULATION
                  Convinced that moisture is collecting inside the cap and
                  promoting misfire conditions, some technicians seal the
                  distributor cap with silicone. Sealing the cap is not the
                  solution and may actually worsen the condition, especially
                  in cases where plugged vent screens are present,
                  preventing the escape of the gases. The moisture condition
                  may be influenced by the A/C system. On many
                  LARRY HAMMER
                  TECHNICAL SERVICES
                  applications, the A/C accumulator line is routed directly
                  over the distributor cap (see illustration 3). The condensation
                  from the line drips directly onto the distributor
                  cap and housing. If you identify this condition, installing
                  a foam sleeve over the accumulator line can minimize
                  the moisture problem. Water dripping on a hot distributor
                  cap can promote electrical tracking and arcing.
                  LOW PROFILE DESIGN
                  The low profile design of the distributor caps for these
                  applications is necessary, as the engine compartment
                  space for the distributor is limited. On most distributor
                  caps, the terminals are spaced a minimum of an inch
                  apart. With this style cap, some of the terminals come
                  within 1/8 inch of an adjacent terminal. The close
                  proximity of the terminals makes manufacturing of the
                  part a challenge. Any air or gas pockets in the plastic
                  molding process can eventually result in high voltage
                  arcing. The potential for arcing/flashover is great, while
                  leaving little evidence the condition has occurred. The
                  problems are further aggravated when high secondary
                  circuit resistance conditions are present. Current takes
                  the path of least resistance and often will arc to an
                  adjacent terminal, creating a misfire condition. For
                  example: Installing a new cap on a set of bad spark plug
                  wires can lead to a premature failure of the cap.
                  In summary: The design of this distributor makes for an
                  above-normal failure rate of caps and rotors. When
                  diagnosing a performance problem on this ignition
                  system, the cap and rotor should always be a first
                  suspect, regardless of how long it has been on the
                  engine. The high voltage terminals are molded into the
                  plastic housing in close proximity, which is a manufacturing
                  challenge. The manufacturer must consider terminal
                  position and molding issues such as air and gas
                  pockets in the plastic. The distributor has a history of
                  inadequate ventilation, which prompts an accumulation
                  of conductive deposits. When this occurs, the result
                  is misfiring, an illuminated SES lamp and stored trouble
                  codes. The cap is positioned directly beneath the A/C
                  accumulator line, which can drip water onto the distributor
                  cap.
                  Due to the design of the system, the distributor cap and
                  rotor are destined for failure.

                  #559863
                  EdwardEdward
                  Participant

                    yes I had read that a while back and had already made sure they was clear. but thank you

                    #559873
                    EdwardEdward
                    Participant

                      thank you everyone that replied. with what you guys told me and from what I found online I have the distributor replaced, did it this morning took about 45 min.
                      as for setting the timing with a timing light the harmonic balancer has a timing mark in it but there is no degree scale to be found around the balancer. the video online shows a keeper that locks onto the flat spots to the distributor will not turn how ever mine does not have that same keeper. but I used all the marks to line everything up and it starts right up and runs smooth and runs out well.
                      thanks again for all who helped.

                      I also replaced the front shocks only to have all four of the lower bolts snap off so I had to remove the welded nuts and replace them with new hardware.

                      my next adventure is going to be replacing the steering gear box and idler arm and do a break job on the front cause the rotors are warped when I apply the breaks the front end really shimmies and you can feel it pulsing in the peddle.

                      #560038
                      college mancollege man
                      Moderator

                        Glad it worked out.keep us posted on your progress.

                        #561119
                        EricTheCarGuy 1EricTheCarGuy
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                          Nice work. Glad you got it sorted out. Thanks for the updates and for using the ETCG forum.

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