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Re: 1997 plymoth van. 3.0 engine tricky to start

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OnThe7ThDayFordOnThe7ThDayFord
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    [quote=”Wrench Turner” post=36662]

    troubleshooting your vehicle without ever looking at it (Impossible)You can tell some one how to troubleshoot but your not really doing it are you???

    A: Using the socratic method, I will allow you to help yourself. Since you have concluded that it is impossible to troubleshoot a vehicle without actually seeing, hearing, touching, tasting and smelling it.. Q: what do you think you are getting when you ask the parts guy for help… (Hint: two words, first starts with “B” and the second starts with “S”)

    When did fuel filters get knocked off the simple/routine maintenance list?

    A: when they are in-line, hard to get to, and require the use of special tools to remove them.

    Wrench everything Ford is saying is right…
    Fuel filters can cause issues with out registering on a fuel pressure tester.

    A: Very good. you are correct. and you are at least the 3rd person to have mentioned this. Therefore, it is important to measure fuel flow as well as static and dynamic fuel pressure in efforts to determine if the fuel pump is failing even though it can deliver proper psi. Other testing such as injector balance and current ramping could also be performed as necessary. Check my previous posts on how to measure volumetric fuel flow. So, in summary we can state that we can all agree that it is possible for a fuel pump to deliver proper psi but not at the proper rate.

    I dont feel this is the place to insalt some one

    Q: would you like some inpepper with your insalt.

    I never said the fuel filter should not be replaced. I simply stated that if there is proper fuel flow, then the fuel filter can be eliminated as a possible restriction. If you are in elbow deep into a fuel system issue, it may or may not be worth your time to change the filter. This will depend on several variables and is up to the owner’s discretion; however, in this scenario one cannot conclude that the fuel filter is the source of the problem given fuel flow was tested and was found to be within spec. Yes, it is probably a good idea. How much time and money you wish to throw away is your business. Will it fix your starting problem? No.

    Why waste time on something, when something else is the problem.

    We work for flat-rate people.. work smarter, not harder.

    Time = $$$.

    Btw, This is me current ramping a 2004 dodge ram 1500 5.7L Hemi fuel pump using a very expensive Bosch scan tool; 10 commutator segment fuel pump. Thought you might be interested.

    oh, and I apologize in advance for “telling it like it is.”[/quote]

    I have never walked in to any parts store and ask anyone for help (I tell them what I want and to go get it….
    You cant be verry good wrench you work in a store that sales parts…
    Not a shop wear you use the parts… But we can all tell theres good reason for that.
    Now I do ask for advice but I dont have to have it and I do NOT ask from a parts sales man….
    You have once again missed my point…. If you have replace all these parts why not replace a 12$ easy part??? The components inside can brake down and clog the ejectors,carb and regulator and you have wasted your money and time…

    I never said he needed to replace the part… I quoted on your comment (the o.p. has already stated that his fuel volume is within specified limits and therefore the fuel filter does not need to be checked.)
    I SAID THAT IS A false STATEMENT – A FILTER CAN CAUSE ISSUES WITH OUT SHOWING ON A PSI TESTER.. Im not saying its causing this issue… Your argument is mute due to the fact that your looking for a fight…

    If we all went by what your saying – We all would just pressure test when ever we thought our fuel filter was clogged and avoid having to get under the car or truck
    You know nothing of what you speak…

    [quote=”OnThe7ThDayFord” post=36543][quote=”bwebb” post=36517]

    Setting here thinking about your comment – Sometime else that could be happening is (Maybe you are not getting enf power to the fuel pump/relay) This would make more since. If you battery’s weak – Cranking takes alote or power – then powering the computer/relays and all the other goodies – You could be getting weak power to the fuel pump) You may hear the pump engage but when the engine starts cranking your not maintaining the right amount of power…

    Hope iv helped.[/quote]

    Battery.

    Wrench you may quite addressing me…Your not telling nothing how it is at least not to me… Im iggying your post. Isnt it enf you take up space now your taking up bandwidth to?

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