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2003 Town and country 3.8L V6 Performnce Woes

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    Joe AndersonJoe Anderson
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      Ok, Some of you whom follow the ETCG facebook have seen this come up here and there on the page… my 03 T&C likes to bog down around 40-45MPH and I’ve done EVERYTHING I can think of to fix it… the symptoms- Accelerating very moderately the car will accelerate normally until you hit 40MPH, then the RPM’s drop down to 1000 and sometimes below, the car will make a vibrating sound and at times will shudder and shake. Stepping on the accelerator pedal will make it run fine and go normally, but if you let up or go back to where you were before the car will lug down again and try to stall, which it has not done yet….

      on the list of things I’ve done:

      intake-upper and lower gaskets replaced (fun job)

      New TPS,

      Fixed a couple vac leaks,

      New plugs, Wires, Coil

      Cleaned intake, intake runners

      new MAP

      Propane pencil test checking for intake leaks

      Transmission shop 3 times to check for an over locking Torque converter (no faults)

      Brand new set of injectors (x6)

      Ispected the injection harness.

      Fuel pressure check…

      I’d like to fix this… I get the P0301 Code sometimes others are P0300/03 other things I’ve noticed the OBD reader changes my Fuel system status to OL-Drive CL-Fault CL-drive…. Any ideas would be greatly apprciated….

      —Unrelated repairs—-
      New heater core, new radiator, installed a thermostat, new thermostat housing/gasket…
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      ——————-Technical information—————————-

      These are readings from an OBD live recording.

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      Live Data
      Numbers of DTCs 0
      Fuel system 1 statusCL
      Fuel System 2 status–
      Calculated Load Value(%)17.6
      Engine Coolant Temperature(¡£F)195
      Short Term Fuel Trim -Bank 1(%)3.1
      Long Term Fuel Trim – Bank 1(%)-7.0
      Intake Manifold Absolute Pressure(psi)8.4
      Engine RPM(rpm) 1695
      Vehicle Speed Sensor(mph)12
      Ignition Timing Advanece for #1 Cylinder(¡£)29.5
      Absolute Throttle Position(%)21.6
      Location of Oxygen SensorsB1S12–B2S—-
      Oxygen Sensor Output Voltage Bank 1-Sensor 1(V)0.825
      Short Term Fuel Trim Bank 1-Sensor 1(%)2.3
      Oxygen Sensor Output Voltage Bank 1-Sensor 2(V)0.725
      Short Term Fuel Trim Bank 1-Sensor 2(%)N/A
      OBD requirements to which vehicle is designedNot OBD
      Distance Travelled While MIL is Activated(miles)0
      ———————-
      Numbers of DTCs 0
      Fuel system 1 statusCL
      Fuel System 2 status–
      Calculated Load Value(%)18.4
      Engine Coolant Temperature(¡£F)197
      Short Term Fuel Trim -Bank 1(%)0.0
      Long Term Fuel Trim – Bank 1(%)-6.3
      Intake Manifold Absolute Pressure(psi)8.6
      Engine RPM(rpm) 1802
      Vehicle Speed Sensor(mph)16
      Ignition Timing Advanece for #1 Cylinder(¡£)30.5
      Absolute Throttle Position(%)23.5
      Location of Oxygen SensorsB1S12–B2S—-
      Oxygen Sensor Output Voltage Bank 1-Sensor 1(V)0.825
      Short Term Fuel Trim Bank 1-Sensor 1(%)-2.3
      Oxygen Sensor Output Voltage Bank 1-Sensor 2(V)0.785
      Short Term Fuel Trim Bank 1-Sensor 2(%)N/A
      OBD requirements to which vehicle is designedNot OBD
      Distance Travelled While MIL is Activated(miles)0
      ———————-
      Numbers of DTCs 0
      Fuel system 1 statusCL
      Fuel System 2 status–
      Calculated Load Value(%)20.8
      Engine Coolant Temperature(¡£F)197
      Short Term Fuel Trim -Bank 1(%)-4.7
      Long Term Fuel Trim – Bank 1(%)-3.1
      Intake Manifold Absolute Pressure(psi)8.8
      Engine RPM(rpm) 1967
      Vehicle Speed Sensor(mph)19
      Ignition Timing Advanece for #1 Cylinder(¡£)32.0
      Absolute Throttle Position(%)23.5
      Location of Oxygen SensorsB1S12–B2S—-
      Oxygen Sensor Output Voltage Bank 1-Sensor 1(V)0.845
      Short Term Fuel Trim Bank 1-Sensor 1(%)-6.3
      Oxygen Sensor Output Voltage Bank 1-Sensor 2(V)0.765
      Short Term Fuel Trim Bank 1-Sensor 2(%)N/A
      OBD requirements to which vehicle is designedNot OBD
      Distance Travelled While MIL is Activated(miles)0
      ———————-
      Numbers of DTCs 0
      Fuel system 1 statusCL
      Fuel System 2 status–
      Calculated Load Value(%)21.2
      Engine Coolant Temperature(¡£F)197
      Short Term Fuel Trim -Bank 1(%)0.0
      Long Term Fuel Trim – Bank 1(%)-4.7
      Intake Manifold Absolute Pressure(psi)8.7
      Engine RPM(rpm) 2043
      Vehicle Speed Sensor(mph)22
      Ignition Timing Advanece for #1 Cylinder(¡£)32.5
      Absolute Throttle Position(%)23.9
      Location of Oxygen SensorsB1S12–B2S—-
      Oxygen Sensor Output Voltage Bank 1-Sensor 1(V)0.645
      Short Term Fuel Trim Bank 1-Sensor 1(%)0.8
      Oxygen Sensor Output Voltage Bank 1-Sensor 2(V)0.685
      Short Term Fuel Trim Bank 1-Sensor 2(%)N/A
      OBD requirements to which vehicle is designedNot OBD
      Distance Travelled While MIL is Activated(miles)0
      ———————-
      Numbers of DTCs 0
      Fuel system 1 statusCL
      Fuel System 2 status–
      Calculated Load Value(%)21.6
      Engine Coolant Temperature(¡£F)199
      Short Term Fuel Trim -Bank 1(%)-3.1
      Long Term Fuel Trim – Bank 1(%)-6.3
      Intake Manifold Absolute Pressure(psi)8.4
      Engine RPM(rpm) 2140
      Vehicle Speed Sensor(mph)25
      Ignition Timing Advanece for #1 Cylinder(¡£)33.0
      Absolute Throttle Position(%)24.3
      Location of Oxygen SensorsB1S12–B2S—-
      Oxygen Sensor Output Voltage Bank 1-Sensor 1(V)0.705
      Short Term Fuel Trim Bank 1-Sensor 1(%)-1.6
      Oxygen Sensor Output Voltage Bank 1-Sensor 2(V)0.570
      Short Term Fuel Trim Bank 1-Sensor 2(%)N/A
      OBD requirements to which vehicle is designedNot OBD
      Distance Travelled While MIL is Activated(miles)0
      ———————-
      Numbers of DTCs 0
      Fuel system 1 statusCL
      Fuel System 2 status–
      Calculated Load Value(%)22.0
      Engine Coolant Temperature(¡£F)199
      Short Term Fuel Trim -Bank 1(%)-2.3
      Long Term Fuel Trim – Bank 1(%)-5.5
      Intake Manifold Absolute Pressure(psi)9.6
      Engine RPM(rpm) 1814
      Vehicle Speed Sensor(mph)27
      Ignition Timing Advanece for #1 Cylinder(¡£)27.0
      Absolute Throttle Position(%)24.3
      Location of Oxygen SensorsB1S12–B2S—-
      Oxygen Sensor Output Voltage Bank 1-Sensor 1(V)0.685
      Short Term Fuel Trim Bank 1-Sensor 1(%)-2.3
      Oxygen Sensor Output Voltage Bank 1-Sensor 2(V)0.530
      Short Term Fuel Trim Bank 1-Sensor 2(%)N/A
      OBD requirements to which vehicle is designedNot OBD
      Distance Travelled While MIL is Activated(miles)0
      ———————-
      Numbers of DTCs 0
      Fuel system 1 statusCL
      Fuel System 2 status–
      Calculated Load Value(%)20.8
      Engine Coolant Temperature(¡£F)199
      Short Term Fuel Trim -Bank 1(%)-3.1
      Long Term Fuel Trim – Bank 1(%)0.8
      Intake Manifold Absolute Pressure(psi)11.6
      Engine RPM(rpm) 1486
      Vehicle Speed Sensor(mph)29
      Ignition Timing Advanece for #1 Cylinder(¡£)17.0
      Absolute Throttle Position(%)24.3
      Location of Oxygen SensorsB1S12–B2S—-
      Oxygen Sensor Output Voltage Bank 1-Sensor 1(V)0.785
      Short Term Fuel Trim Bank 1-Sensor 1(%)-3.9
      Oxygen Sensor Output Voltage Bank 1-Sensor 2(V)0.745
      Short Term Fuel Trim Bank 1-Sensor 2(%)N/A
      OBD requirements to which vehicle is designedNot OBD
      Distance Travelled While MIL is Activated(miles)0
      ———————-
      Numbers of DTCs 0
      Fuel system 1 statusCL
      Fuel System 2 status–
      Calculated Load Value(%)20.8
      Engine Coolant Temperature(¡£F)199
      Short Term Fuel Trim -Bank 1(%)-3.9
      Long Term Fuel Trim – Bank 1(%)0.0
      Intake Manifold Absolute Pressure(psi)11.6
      Engine RPM(rpm) 1520
      Vehicle Speed Sensor(mph)32
      Ignition Timing Advanece for #1 Cylinder(¡£)19.0
      Absolute Throttle Position(%)24.7
      Location of Oxygen SensorsB1S12–B2S—-
      Oxygen Sensor Output Voltage Bank 1-Sensor 1(V)0.745
      Short Term Fuel Trim Bank 1-Sensor 1(%)-3.9
      Oxygen Sensor Output Voltage Bank 1-Sensor 2(V)0.725
      Short Term Fuel Trim Bank 1-Sensor 2(%)N/A
      OBD requirements to which vehicle is designedNot OBD
      Distance Travelled While MIL is Activated(miles)0
      ———————-
      Numbers of DTCs 0
      Fuel system 1 statusCL
      Fuel System 2 status–
      Calculated Load Value(%)21.2
      Engine Coolant Temperature(¡£F)199
      Short Term Fuel Trim -Bank 1(%)-4.7
      Long Term Fuel Trim – Bank 1(%)-1.6
      Intake Manifold Absolute Pressure(psi)11.5
      Engine RPM(rpm) 1583
      Vehicle Speed Sensor(mph)34
      Ignition Timing Advanece for #1 Cylinder(¡£)21.0
      Absolute Throttle Position(%)24.7
      Location of Oxygen SensorsB1S12–B2S—-
      Oxygen Sensor Output Voltage Bank 1-Sensor 1(V)0.785
      Short Term Fuel Trim Bank 1-Sensor 1(%)-5.5
      Oxygen Sensor Output Voltage Bank 1-Sensor 2(V)0.590
      Short Term Fuel Trim Bank 1-Sensor 2(%)N/A
      OBD requirements to which vehicle is designedNot OBD
      Distance Travelled While MIL is Activated(miles)0
      ———————-
      Numbers of DTCs 0
      Fuel system 1 statusCL
      Fuel System 2 status–
      Calculated Load Value(%)22.4
      Engine Coolant Temperature(¡£F)201
      Short Term Fuel Trim -Bank 1(%)0.8
      Long Term Fuel Trim – Bank 1(%)-2.3
      Intake Manifold Absolute Pressure(psi)11.2
      Engine RPM(rpm) 1671
      Vehicle Speed Sensor(mph)36
      Ignition Timing Advanece for #1 Cylinder(¡£)23.0
      Absolute Throttle Position(%)24.7
      Location of Oxygen SensorsB1S12–B2S—-
      Oxygen Sensor Output Voltage Bank 1-Sensor 1(V)0.705
      Short Term Fuel Trim Bank 1-Sensor 1(%)-4.7
      Oxygen Sensor Output Voltage Bank 1-Sensor 2(V)0.725
      Short Term Fuel Trim Bank 1-Sensor 2(%)N/A
      OBD requirements to which vehicle is designedNot OBD
      Distance Travelled While MIL is Activated(miles)0
      ———————-
      Numbers of DTCs 0
      Fuel system 1 statusCL
      Fuel System 2 status–
      Calculated Load Value(%)21.2
      Engine Coolant Temperature(¡£F)201
      Short Term Fuel Trim -Bank 1(%)0.0
      Long Term Fuel Trim – Bank 1(%)-3.1
      Intake Manifold Absolute Pressure(psi)11.6
      Engine RPM(rpm) 1470
      Vehicle Speed Sensor(mph)37
      Ignition Timing Advanece for #1 Cylinder(¡£)11.5
      Absolute Throttle Position(%)24.7
      Location of Oxygen SensorsB1S12–B2S—-
      Oxygen Sensor Output Voltage Bank 1-Sensor 1(V)0.335
      Short Term Fuel Trim Bank 1-Sensor 1(%)3.1
      Oxygen Sensor Output Voltage Bank 1-Sensor 2(V)0.120
      Short Term Fuel Trim Bank 1-Sensor 2(%)N/A
      OBD requirements to which vehicle is designedNot OBD
      Distance Travelled While MIL is Activated(miles)0
      ———————-
      Numbers of DTCs 0
      Fuel system 1 statusCL
      Fuel System 2 status–
      Calculated Load Value(%)18.4
      Engine Coolant Temperature(¡£F)201
      Short Term Fuel Trim -Bank 1(%)-3.1
      Long Term Fuel Trim – Bank 1(%)2.3
      Intake Manifold Absolute Pressure(psi)12.9
      Engine RPM(rpm) 1262
      Vehicle Speed Sensor(mph)39
      Ignition Timing Advanece for #1 Cylinder(¡£)9.0
      Absolute Throttle Position(%)25.1
      Location of Oxygen SensorsB1S12–B2S—-
      Oxygen Sensor Output Voltage Bank 1-Sensor 1(V)0.685
      Short Term Fuel Trim Bank 1-Sensor 1(%)-3.9
      Oxygen Sensor Output Voltage Bank 1-Sensor 2(V)0.610
      Short Term Fuel Trim Bank 1-Sensor 2(%)N/A
      OBD requirements to which vehicle is designedNot OBD
      Distance Travelled While MIL is Activated(miles)0
      ———————-
      Numbers of DTCs 0
      Fuel system 1 statusCL
      Fuel System 2 status–
      Calculated Load Value(%)19.2
      Engine Coolant Temperature(¡£F)203
      Short Term Fuel Trim -Bank 1(%)0.8
      Long Term Fuel Trim – Bank 1(%)1.6
      Intake Manifold Absolute Pressure(psi)12.9
      Engine RPM(rpm) 1264
      Vehicle Speed Sensor(mph)39
      Ignition Timing Advanece for #1 Cylinder(¡£)9.0
      Absolute Throttle Position(%)25.1
      Location of Oxygen SensorsB1S12–B2S—-
      Oxygen Sensor Output Voltage Bank 1-Sensor 1(V)0.665
      Short Term Fuel Trim Bank 1-Sensor 1(%)0.8
      Oxygen Sensor Output Voltage Bank 1-Sensor 2(V)0.550
      Short Term Fuel Trim Bank 1-Sensor 2(%)N/A
      OBD requirements to which vehicle is designedNot OBD
      Distance Travelled While MIL is Activated(miles)0
      ———————-
      Numbers of DTCs 0
      Fuel system 1 statusCL
      Fuel System 2 status–
      Calculated Load Value(%)18.8
      Engine Coolant Temperature(¡£F)203
      Short Term Fuel Trim -Bank 1(%)-1.6
      Long Term Fuel Trim – Bank 1(%)-3.1
      Intake Manifold Absolute Pressure(psi)11.2
      Engine RPM(rpm) 1402
      Vehicle Speed Sensor(mph)40
      Ignition Timing Advanece for #1 Cylinder(¡£)18.5
      Absolute Throttle Position(%)22.0
      Location of Oxygen SensorsB1S12–B2S—-
      Oxygen Sensor Output Voltage Bank 1-Sensor 1(V)0.725
      Short Term Fuel Trim Bank 1-Sensor 1(%)3.9
      Oxygen Sensor Output Voltage Bank 1-Sensor 2(V)0.195
      Short Term Fuel Trim Bank 1-Sensor 2(%)N/A
      OBD requirements to which vehicle is designedNot OBD
      Distance Travelled While MIL is Activated(miles)0
      ———————-
      Numbers of DTCs 0
      Fuel system 1 statusOL-Drive
      Fuel System 2 status–
      Calculated Load Value(%)11.8
      Engine Coolant Temperature(¡£F)203
      Short Term Fuel Trim -Bank 1(%)-2.3
      Long Term Fuel Trim – Bank 1(%)0.8
      Intake Manifold Absolute Pressure(psi)4.8
      Engine RPM(rpm) 1355
      Vehicle Speed Sensor(mph)41
      Ignition Timing Advanece for #1 Cylinder(¡£)35.0
      Absolute Throttle Position(%)12.5
      Location of Oxygen SensorsB1S12–B2S—-
      Oxygen Sensor Output Voltage Bank 1-Sensor 1(V)0.845
      Short Term Fuel Trim Bank 1-Sensor 1(%)0.0
      Oxygen Sensor Output Voltage Bank 1-Sensor 2(V)0.120
      Short Term Fuel Trim Bank 1-Sensor 2(%)N/A
      OBD requirements to which vehicle is designedNot OBD
      Distance Travelled While MIL is Activated(miles)0
      ———————-
      Numbers of DTCs 0
      Fuel system 1 statusCL
      Fuel System 2 status–
      Calculated Load Value(%)7.1
      Engine Coolant Temperature(¡£F)203
      Short Term Fuel Trim -Bank 1(%)0.0
      Long Term Fuel Trim – Bank 1(%)0.8
      Intake Manifold Absolute Pressure(psi)4.8
      Engine RPM(rpm) 1244
      Vehicle Speed Sensor(mph)39
      Ignition Timing Advanece for #1 Cylinder(¡£)30.5
      Absolute Throttle Position(%)13.3
      Location of Oxygen SensorsB1S12–B2S—-
      Oxygen Sensor Output Voltage Bank 1-Sensor 1(V)0.040
      Short Term Fuel Trim Bank 1-Sensor 1(%)0.0
      Oxygen Sensor Output Voltage Bank 1-Sensor 2(V)0.040
      Short Term Fuel Trim Bank 1-Sensor 2(%)N/A
      OBD requirements to which vehicle is designedNot OBD
      Distance Travelled While MIL is Activated(miles)0
      ———————-
      Numbers of DTCs 0
      Fuel system 1 statusCL
      Fuel System 2 status–
      Calculated Load Value(%)10.2
      Engine Coolant Temperature(¡£F)201
      Short Term Fuel Trim -Bank 1(%)-3.1
      Long Term Fuel Trim – Bank 1(%)-4.7
      Intake Manifold Absolute Pressure(psi)5.9
      Engine RPM(rpm) 1453
      Vehicle Speed Sensor(mph)39
      Ignition Timing Advanece for #1 Cylinder(¡£)35.0
      Absolute Throttle Position(%)15.7
      Location of Oxygen SensorsB1S12–B2S—-
      Oxygen Sensor Output Voltage Bank 1-Sensor 1(V)0.570
      Short Term Fuel Trim Bank 1-Sensor 1(%)2.3
      Oxygen Sensor Output Voltage Bank 1-Sensor 2(V)0.080
      Short Term Fuel Trim Bank 1-Sensor 2(%)N/A
      OBD requirements to which vehicle is designedNot OBD
      Distance Travelled While MIL is Activated(miles)0
      ———————-
      Numbers of DTCs 0
      Fuel system 1 statusCL
      Fuel System 2 status–
      Calculated Load Value(%)10.6
      Engine Coolant Temperature(¡£F)199
      Short Term Fuel Trim -Bank 1(%)-2.3
      Long Term Fuel Trim – Bank 1(%)-4.7
      Intake Manifold Absolute Pressure(psi)6.8
      Engine RPM(rpm) 1373
      Vehicle Speed Sensor(mph)41
      Ignition Timing Advanece for #1 Cylinder(¡£)28.5
      Absolute Throttle Position(%)16.5
      Location of Oxygen SensorsB1S12–B2S—-
      Oxygen Sensor Output Voltage Bank 1-Sensor 1(V)0.805
      Short Term Fuel Trim Bank 1-Sensor 1(%)-5.5
      Oxygen Sensor Output Voltage Bank 1-Sensor 2(V)0.805
      Short Term Fuel Trim Bank 1-Sensor 2(%)N/A
      OBD requirements to which vehicle is designedNot OBD
      Distance Travelled While MIL is Activated(miles)0
      ———————-
      Numbers of DTCs 0
      Fuel system 1 statusCL
      Fuel System 2 status–
      Calculated Load Value(%)11.0
      Engine Coolant Temperature(¡£F)199
      Short Term Fuel Trim -Bank 1(%)-10.2
      Long Term Fuel Trim – Bank 1(%)-3.1
      Intake Manifold Absolute Pressure(psi)7.1
      Engine RPM(rpm) 1305
      Vehicle Speed Sensor(mph)41
      Ignition Timing Advanece for #1 Cylinder(¡£)26.0
      Absolute Throttle Position(%)16.5
      Location of Oxygen SensorsB1S12–B2S—-
      Oxygen Sensor Output Voltage Bank 1-Sensor 1(V)0.630
      Short Term Fuel Trim Bank 1-Sensor 1(%)-5.5
      Oxygen Sensor Output Voltage Bank 1-Sensor 2(V)0.705
      Short Term Fuel Trim Bank 1-Sensor 2(%)N/A
      OBD requirements to which vehicle is designedNot OBD
      Distance Travelled While MIL is Activated(miles)0
      ———————-
      Numbers of DTCs 0
      Fuel system 1 statusCL
      Fuel System 2 status–
      Calculated Load Value(%)11.4
      Engine Coolant Temperature(¡£F)197
      Short Term Fuel Trim -Bank 1(%)-9.4
      Long Term Fuel Trim – Bank 1(%)-4.7
      Intake Manifold Absolute Pressure(psi)7.1
      Engine RPM(rpm) 1357
      Vehicle Speed Sensor(mph)42
      Ignition Timing Advanece for #1 Cylinder(¡£)27.5
      Absolute Throttle Position(%)16.9
      Location of Oxygen SensorsB1S12–B2S—-
      Oxygen Sensor Output Voltage Bank 1-Sensor 1(V)0.155
      Short Term Fuel Trim Bank 1-Sensor 1(%)-3.1
      Oxygen Sensor Output Voltage Bank 1-Sensor 2(V)0.295
      Short Term Fuel Trim Bank 1-Sensor 2(%)N/A
      OBD requirements to which vehicle is designedNot OBD
      Distance Travelled While MIL is Activated(miles)0
      ———————-
      Numbers of DTCs 0
      Fuel system 1 statusCL
      Fuel System 2 status–
      Calculated Load Value(%)11.4
      Engine Coolant Temperature(¡£F)195
      Short Term Fuel Trim -Bank 1(%)-1.6
      Long Term Fuel Trim – Bank 1(%)-6.3
      Intake Manifold Absolute Pressure(psi)7.4
      Engine RPM(rpm) 1354
      Vehicle Speed Sensor(mph)42
      Ignition Timing Advanece for #1 Cylinder(¡£)26.5
      Absolute Throttle Position(%)17.3
      Location of Oxygen SensorsB1S12–B2S—-
      Oxygen Sensor Output Voltage Bank 1-Sensor 1(V)0.315
      Short Term Fuel Trim Bank 1-Sensor 1(%)0.0
      Oxygen Sensor Output Voltage Bank 1-Sensor 2(V)0.135
      Short Term Fuel Trim Bank 1-Sensor 2(%)N/A
      OBD requirements to which vehicle is designedNot OBD
      Distance Travelled While MIL is Activated(miles)0
      ———————-
      Numbers of DTCs 0
      Fuel system 1 statusCL
      Fuel System 2 status–
      Calculated Load Value(%)12.5
      Engine Coolant Temperature(¡£F)195
      Short Term Fuel Trim -Bank 1(%)-4.7
      Long Term Fuel Trim – Bank 1(%)-7.0
      Intake Manifold Absolute Pressure(psi)7.8
      Engine RPM(rpm) 1416
      Vehicle Speed Sensor(mph)42
      Ignition Timing Advanece for #1 Cylinder(¡£)26.5
      Absolute Throttle Position(%)18.0
      Location of Oxygen SensorsB1S12–B2S—-
      Oxygen Sensor Output Voltage Bank 1-Sensor 1(V)0.375
      Short Term Fuel Trim Bank 1-Sensor 1(%)3.1
      Oxygen Sensor Output Voltage Bank 1-Sensor 2(V)0.100
      Short Term Fuel Trim Bank 1-Sensor 2(%)N/A
      OBD requirements to which vehicle is designedNot OBD
      Distance Travelled While MIL is Activated(miles)0
      ———————-
      Numbers of DTCs 0
      Fuel system 1 statusCL
      Fuel System 2 status–
      Calculated Load Value(%)13.7
      Engine Coolant Temperature(¡£F)195
      Short Term Fuel Trim -Bank 1(%)3.1
      Long Term Fuel Trim – Bank 1(%)-6.3
      Intake Manifold Absolute Pressure(psi)8.4
      Engine RPM(rpm) 1411
      Vehicle Speed Sensor(mph)42
      Ignition Timing Advanece for #1 Cylinder(¡£)26.5
      Absolute Throttle Position(%)18.4
      Location of Oxygen SensorsB1S12–B2S—-
      Oxygen Sensor Output Voltage Bank 1-Sensor 1(V)0.745
      Short Term Fuel Trim Bank 1-Sensor 1(%)-1.6
      Oxygen Sensor Output Voltage Bank 1-Sensor 2(V)0.275
      Short Term Fuel Trim Bank 1-Sensor 2(%)N/A
      OBD requirements to which vehicle is designedNot OBD
      Distance Travelled While MIL is Activated(miles)0
      ———————-
      Numbers of DTCs 0
      Fuel system 1 statusCL
      Fuel System 2 status–
      Calculated Load Value(%)14.5
      Engine Coolant Temperature(¡£F)195
      Short Term Fuel Trim -Bank 1(%)-1.6
      Long Term Fuel Trim – Bank 1(%)-4.7
      Intake Manifold Absolute Pressure(psi)9.3
      Engine RPM(rpm) 1352
      Vehicle Speed Sensor(mph)42
      Ignition Timing Advanece for #1 Cylinder(¡£)24.0
      Absolute Throttle Position(%)18.8
      Location of Oxygen SensorsB1S12–B2S—-
      Oxygen Sensor Output Voltage Bank 1-Sensor 1(V)0.745
      Short Term Fuel Trim Bank 1-Sensor 1(%)-2.3
      Oxygen Sensor Output Voltage Bank 1-Sensor 2(V)0.610
      Short Term Fuel Trim Bank 1-Sensor 2(%)N/A
      OBD requirements to which vehicle is designedNot OBD
      Distance Travelled While MIL is Activated(miles)0
      ———————-
      Numbers of DTCs 0
      Fuel system 1 statusCL
      Fuel System 2 status–
      Calculated Load Value(%)14.1
      Engine Coolant Temperature(¡£F)194
      Short Term Fuel Trim -Bank 1(%)2.3
      Long Term Fuel Trim – Bank 1(%)-4.7
      Intake Manifold Absolute Pressure(psi)9.3
      Engine RPM(rpm) 1341
      Vehicle Speed Sensor(mph)42
      Ignition Timing Advanece for #1 Cylinder(¡£)23.5
      Absolute Throttle Position(%)18.8
      Location of Oxygen SensorsB1S12–B2S—-
      Oxygen Sensor Output Voltage Bank 1-Sensor 1(V)0.745
      Short Term Fuel Trim Bank 1-Sensor 1(%)-3.1
      Oxygen Sensor Output Voltage Bank 1-Sensor 2(V)0.550
      Short Term Fuel Trim Bank 1-Sensor 2(%)N/A
      OBD requirements to which vehicle is designedNot OBD
      Distance Travelled While MIL is Activated(miles)0
      ———————-
      Numbers of DTCs 0
      Fuel system 1 statusCL
      Fuel System 2 status–
      Calculated Load Value(%)14.9
      Engine Coolant Temperature(¡£F)195
      Short Term Fuel Trim -Bank 1(%)-3.1
      Long Term Fuel Trim – Bank 1(%)-4.7
      Intake Manifold Absolute Pressure(psi)8.8
      Engine RPM(rpm) 1388
      Vehicle Speed Sensor(mph)43
      Ignition Timing Advanece for #1 Cylinder(¡£)25.0
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      ———————-
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      Short Term Fuel Trim -Bank 1(%)-0.8
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      ———————-
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      Fuel system 1 statusCL
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      Engine Coolant Temperature(¡£F)195
      Short Term Fuel Trim -Bank 1(%)0.0
      Long Term Fuel Trim – Bank 1(%)0.8
      Intake Manifold Absolute Pressure(psi)4.2
      Engine RPM(rpm) 1197
      Vehicle Speed Sensor(mph)43
      Ignition Timing Advanece for #1 Cylinder(¡£)29.0
      Absolute Throttle Position(%)12.5
      Location of Oxygen SensorsB1S12–B2S—-
      Oxygen Sensor Output Voltage Bank 1-Sensor 1(V)0.020
      Short Term Fuel Trim Bank 1-Sensor 1(%)0.0
      Oxygen Sensor Output Voltage Bank 1-Sensor 2(V)0.020
      Short Term Fuel Trim Bank 1-Sensor 2(%)N/A
      OBD requirements to which vehicle is designedNot OBD
      Distance Travelled While MIL is Activated(miles)0
      ———————-
      Numbers of DTCs 0
      Fuel system 1 statusCL
      Fuel System 2 status–
      Calculated Load Value(%)6.3
      Engine Coolant Temperature(¡£F)195
      Short Term Fuel Trim -Bank 1(%)0.0
      Long Term Fuel Trim – Bank 1(%)0.8
      Intake Manifold Absolute Pressure(psi)3.9
      Engine RPM(rpm) 1280
      Vehicle Speed Sensor(mph)42
      Ignition Timing Advanece for #1 Cylinder(¡£)32.0
      Absolute Throttle Position(%)12.5
      Location of Oxygen SensorsB1S12–B2S—-
      Oxygen Sensor Output Voltage Bank 1-Sensor 1(V)0.040
      Short Term Fuel Trim Bank 1-Sensor 1(%)0.0
      Oxygen Sensor Output Voltage Bank 1-Sensor 2(V)0.040
      Short Term Fuel Trim Bank 1-Sensor 2(%)N/A
      OBD requirements to which vehicle is designedNot OBD
      Distance Travelled While MIL is Activated(miles)0
      ———————-
      Numbers of DTCs 0
      Fuel system 1 statusCL
      Fuel System 2 status–
      Calculated Load Value(%)5.9
      Engine Coolant Temperature(¡£F)195
      Short Term Fuel Trim -Bank 1(%)0.0
      Long Term Fuel Trim – Bank 1(%)0.8
      Intake Manifold Absolute Pressure(psi)3.9
      Engine RPM(rpm) 1326
      Vehicle Speed Sensor(mph)42
      Ignition Timing Advanece for #1 Cylinder(¡£)35.0
      Absolute Throttle Position(%)12.5
      Location of Oxygen SensorsB1S12–B2S—-
      Oxygen Sensor Output Voltage Bank 1-Sensor 1(V)0.195
      Short Term Fuel Trim Bank 1-Sensor 1(%)0.0
      Oxygen Sensor Output Voltage Bank 1-Sensor 2(V)0.155
      Short Term Fuel Trim Bank 1-Sensor 2(%)N/A
      OBD requirements to which vehicle is designedNot OBD
      Distance Travelled While MIL is Activated(miles)0
      ———————-
      Numbers of DTCs 0
      Fuel system 1 statusCL
      Fuel System 2 status–
      Calculated Load Value(%)5.5
      Engine Coolant Temperature(¡£F)197
      Short Term Fuel Trim -Bank 1(%)0.0
      Long Term Fuel Trim – Bank 1(%)0.8
      Intake Manifold Absolute Pressure(psi)4.2
      Engine RPM(rpm) 1143
      Vehicle Speed Sensor(mph)42
      Ignition Timing Advanece for #1 Cylinder(¡£)32.0
      Absolute Throttle Position(%)12.5
      Location of Oxygen SensorsB1S12–B2S—-
      Oxygen Sensor Output Voltage Bank 1-Sensor 1(V)0.765
      Short Term Fuel Trim Bank 1-Sensor 1(%)0.0
      Oxygen Sensor Output Voltage Bank 1-Sensor 2(V)0.080
      Short Term Fuel Trim Bank 1-Sensor 2(%)N/A
      OBD requirements to which vehicle is designedNot OBD
      Distance Travelled While MIL is Activated(miles)0
      ———————-
      Numbers of DTCs 0
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      Fuel System 2 status–
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      Engine Coolant Temperature(¡£F)197
      Short Term Fuel Trim -Bank 1(%)0.0
      Long Term Fuel Trim – Bank 1(%)-4.7
      Intake Manifold Absolute Pressure(psi)6.1
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      Vehicle Speed Sensor(mph)41
      Ignition Timing Advanece for #1 Cylinder(¡£)34.0
      Absolute Throttle Position(%)16.5
      Location of Oxygen SensorsB1S12–B2S—-
      Oxygen Sensor Output Voltage Bank 1-Sensor 1(V)0.610
      Short Term Fuel Trim Bank 1-Sensor 1(%)4.7
      Oxygen Sensor Output Voltage Bank 1-Sensor 2(V)0.120
      Short Term Fuel Trim Bank 1-Sensor 2(%)N/A
      OBD requirements to which vehicle is designedNot OBD
      Distance Travelled While MIL is Activated(miles)0
      ———————-
      Numbers of DTCs 0
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      Fuel System 2 status–
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      Long Term Fuel Trim – Bank 1(%)0.8
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      Location of Oxygen SensorsB1S12–B2S—-
      Oxygen Sensor Output Voltage Bank 1-Sensor 1(V)0.060
      Short Term Fuel Trim Bank 1-Sensor 1(%)0.0
      Oxygen Sensor Output Voltage Bank 1-Sensor 2(V)0.100
      Short Term Fuel Trim Bank 1-Sensor 2(%)N/A
      OBD requirements to which vehicle is designedNot OBD
      Distance Travelled While MIL is Activated(miles)0
      ———————-
      Numbers of DTCs 0
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      Long Term Fuel Trim – Bank 1(%)-2.3
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      Engine RPM(rpm) 1400
      Vehicle Speed Sensor(mph)41
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      Oxygen Sensor Output Voltage Bank 1-Sensor 1(V)0.765
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      OBD requirements to which vehicle is designedNot OBD
      Distance Travelled While MIL is Activated(miles)0
      ———————-
      Numbers of DTCs 0
      Fuel system 1 statusCL
      Fuel System 2 status–
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      Short Term Fuel Trim -Bank 1(%)3.1
      Long Term Fuel Trim – Bank 1(%)-4.7
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      Vehicle Speed Sensor(mph)40
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      Absolute Throttle Position(%)15.3
      Location of Oxygen SensorsB1S12–B2S—-
      Oxygen Sensor Output Voltage Bank 1-Sensor 1(V)0.825
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    • #580499
      EricTheCarGuy 1EricTheCarGuy
      Keymaster

        We like when you post detailed information about a problem but there is such a thing as too much information. 🙂

        That said there are a couple of things I see. The first is that you have a misfire code. Anytime you have a performance issue and a CEL always start with diagnosing the CEL. Misfires are pretty general and they have many possible causes. I know you’ve replaced a lot of parts but in some ways this may work against you so forget about all that for now and start from scratch.

        I also see that it looks like it’s taking away fuel in the fuel trim numbers. This could indicate incomplete combustion caused by an ignition misfire or mechanical issue. Never rule out a mechanical problem when dealing with performance issues.

        This article covers the steps I take when dealing with a performance issue like this. Also, I know you say you’ve taken it to the transmission shop, but ignore that too. It might still be a transmission problem that has nothing to do with the TCC. Therefore I’m also going to post my article about solving transmission problems to give you some things to check.

        http://www.ericthecarguy.com/faq/solving-automotive-performance-issues

        http://www.ericthecarguy.com/faq/solving-transmission-problems

        Keep us posted on your progress.

        #580596
        BillBill
        Participant

          I have an idea that part of the problem you have is a transmission problem even though you had it checked. Try driving around in 3rd gear instead of OD to see if you still have a problem.

          #581047
          Joe AndersonJoe Anderson
          Participant

            Driving around in 3 relieves the symptoms somewhat. It still tries to bog out bit it’s 98% better. This was a engine/trans swap from another van… Someone told me the TCU could be the wrong one. Mine had a towing package from the dealership.. This one might not be set for that… Dunno.

            #581107
            BillBill
            Participant

              It’s possible the module needs to be reflashed. Chrysler transmissions should also be relearned after the battery has been disconnected. You would need to find someone with a Chrysler scan tool to do a reflash.

              #581143
              Joe AndersonJoe Anderson
              Participant

                What is involved with a TCU flash? Do you have a ball park figure of how much it would cost?

                #581285
                EricTheCarGuy 1EricTheCarGuy
                Keymaster

                  You can call the dealer to get a price. They may also know if the towing package comes into play as well.

                  Keep us posted.

                  #581300
                  Joe AndersonJoe Anderson
                  Participant

                    Thanks for the replies. The dealer$hip wants 200.00 to flash the computer. I’m going to disconnect the battery after I get my window fixed and retrain the trans and see if that helps… That is the cheaper of the two currently.

                    #581385
                    BillBill
                    Participant

                      Try another dealer. You need a bi directional scan tool to do a proper relearn.

                      #582356
                      Joe AndersonJoe Anderson
                      Participant

                        I’ve yet had the oppertunity to have the computers reflashed, but I have found out what was going on. instead of grabbing the next gear, the trans is attempting to grab 2, hence the bogging down. It’s a computer glitch. I will report back after the programming is done

                        #582578
                        EricTheCarGuy 1EricTheCarGuy
                        Keymaster

                          Thanks for the info. Keep us posted on how things go after the reflash.

                          #584488
                          Joe AndersonJoe Anderson
                          Participant

                            The plot thickened and then Congealed.

                            So, I took it in for flashing. they told me the solenoid pack was leaking. Replaced it (they are PROUD of that solenoid pak….) Van STILL bogs down despite the ‘fix’ they did NOT flash the computer as I asked…. so it goes again tomorrow and I’m leavign the son of samuel there til they fix it…

                            #584541
                            RickRick
                            Participant

                              Somehow my prior attempted posting here didnt work.

                              They love to change the solenoid pack– it’s easy, pays good flat rate and they tell you a new seal isn’t available separately so you need a whole pack. Honestly the leak is more of a nuisance than relevant to performance and you can get just the seal for about $12 aftermarket. But at least you know the solenoid pack is good now I guess. They should have done a “quick learn” on your tranny after replacing the pack (but likely skipped it to save time)– that’s not a programming update, but just quickly gets the adaptive settings for the clutch volumes in range. They will not be able to reprogram your TCM unless an update is available.

                              A dealer should be able to:

                              1) check clutch volumes to see if they’re in spec (using scan tool)
                              2) check TCM for codes
                              3) use chryslers transmission simulator to check that the wire harness is good (part of the harness hangs down under the tranny and often takes curb damage)
                              4) perform actual pressure tests at the test ports on the tranny to see if the hydraulic circuits are functioning properly.

                              The thing is, they probably have no clue how to use their own tools (which is why I started buying Chrysler tools myself to fix my cars.)

                              #584559
                              Joe AndersonJoe Anderson
                              Participant

                                This is not surprising…. I am annoyed, after 500.00 it’s not right at all… it is going back today. I’m going to write out a very detailed list of what i expect…

                                #584583
                                RickRick
                                Participant

                                  Good luck, but it ought to give you a hint that the first time you brought it in they went out in left field and did something completely unrelated to your complaint or request. Feel that vacuum forming in your wallet?

                                  IMO– dealers tend to have a culture created by the car sales side of things which is focused on extracting as much of your money as possible before you can get out the door. I’m not blaming the techs, but your “service rep” is likely a salesman who is used to pretending that he actually knows something about cars (kind of like most of the counter guys at an AutoZone). Since he doesn’t know anything about fixing cars, he doesn’t know how to communicate your concerns to the techs and how to evaluate the feedback he gets from the techs on your vehicle (assuming he’s even trying to do so.)

                                  I fix my own cars because I hate dealing with this kind of BS, but I also know exactly where I would take my car if I wanted someone else to fix it in my town. There are probably exceptional dealers, but after warranty work is over, you are much more likely to get good service from an independent shop that is owned and operated by a mechanic. The shop will preferably charge you and pay its staff by the hour. The owner will be happy to talk to you and listen to your concerns. When you find the place you like and that treats you right, stick with them.

                                  Think about it– $500 at a place where they’re supposed to be the experts and all they did was fix a leak that was irrelevant to your problem. Anyone with any professional pride would be embarrassed.

                                  Can you get what you want out of them? It’s like a bad relationship– not worth it. If I were you, I’d cut my losses and run.

                                  #584709
                                  BillBill
                                  Participant

                                    Solenoid pack leaks are a very common issue on Chrysler transmissions. I have replaced a dozen or so myself but I have never seen one leaking cause a shifting issue unless the trans was low on fluid. If a reflash doesn’t help the TCM/PCM or transmission could have an internal problem.

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