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January 15, 2012 at 11:00 am #439945
Im starting a job at autozone next weak.
I get a 35% discount – durning July I get 50%.Iv been looking around and I can get – crank -PRO_SERIES oil pump (50% more psi) – main bearings – rod bearing – for 138$.
Soo I would like some advise on how to replace them….
Heres what i know.
Trans. Place trans jack under truck – remove bell housing and torque convertor/fly wheel bolts – remove trans coolent lines- drop drive line from rear end – unplug shift solenoid block on top of trans on passenger side – unplug shift linkage – remove all other wires.
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January 15, 2012 at 11:00 am #439946
Engine -remove spark plugs – remove motor mounts – put engine jack under oil pan – make sure everything is clear (most cases you need to drop the exhaust) – remove radiator/engine fan – jack engine up – place 2×4 blocks of wood between motor mounts and frame.
Now this is wear i need you guys.
Drop oil pan – remove harmonic balancer (will need puller) – remove timing chain cover – remove timing chain – Remove oil pump and attachments – remove rod caps – remove main bearing caps – remove crank!!! finish removing all bearings (Look for damage makes) – (make sure to oil new parts) install new main bearing – install rod bearing into the rods and caps… Install crank torque – finish installing rod bearings/caps torque – Recheck all toques – make sure you can turn crank fairly easy -check toques again – install oil pump –
now do the Same as above starting with oil pan (same steps backwards)
Can anyone verifie im on the right track??? can some one give a list of all torque specs….. Please feel free to list your own steps or advise.
Thanks!!!
January 15, 2012 at 11:00 am #439947I would suggest you get a repair manual for your vehicle. you can usually buy a downloadable pdf on ebay for most cars and trucks. someone is always selling them. i usually get them for around $5.00 or so. I think this would be the best starting point.
January 15, 2012 at 11:00 am #439948Was wondering why you are planning this job ? do you have a rod knock or other issues that suggest bad bearings ? first off doing this laying on you back is no easy task. once you drop the pan you will need to rotate the crank to get to each of the rod cap bolts then pull the crank. before even putting in new bearings you will need to verify what size bearings ( what I mean is since you will have wear on both the crank journals and mains you will need a bearing size different from oe size ) you need to use plastiguage to determine the correct rod and main bearing sizes. in all honesty if you suspect a worn bottom end I would just pull the motor and do this on an engine stand. have the motor and all pieces cleaned and check at a machine shop. let them tell you what the wear situation is and what bearings you need and then rebuild the bottom end. you will find this way easier in the end.
Oil pump- unless you plan to add a higher capacity oil pan I would ” not ” add a higher volume oil pump as you run the risk of pumping more oil out of the crank case then is returning and that can lead to a number of problems.
January 15, 2012 at 11:00 am #439949Quoted From 619DioFan:
Was wondering why you are planning this job ? do you have a rod knock or other issues that suggest bad bearings ? first off doing this laying on you back is no easy task. once you drop the pan you will need to rotate the crank to get to each of the rod cap bolts then pull the crank. before even putting in new bearings you will need to verify what size bearings ( what I mean is since you will have wear on both the crank journals and mains you will need a bearing size different from oe size ) you need to use plastiguage to determine the correct rod and main bearing sizes. in all honesty if you suspect a worn bottom end I would just pull the motor and do this on an engine stand. have the motor and all pieces cleaned and check at a machine shop. let them tell you what the wear situation is and what bearings you need and then rebuild the bottom end. you will find this way easier in the end.
Oil pump- unless you plan to add a higher capacity oil pan I would ” not ” add a higher volume oil pump as you run the risk of pumping more oil out of the crank case then is returning and that can lead to a number of problems.
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January 15, 2012 at 11:00 am #439950Sorry but i kinda have to disagree with the +1.
like i said>
Im getting a new crank that comes with matched – crank/rod bearings (there matched to the crank.I do agree with the oil pump being a little much!!!
My truck has over 259k on it. It was my dads and i dont care how much work i put into the truck. I plain to drive it untel (A the frame falls apart or B some one slams into me and trashes the truck)
Money is hard to come by and for 138+tax a new crank that comes with matched rod bearing and main bearing… I cant pass it up.
January 15, 2012 at 11:00 am #439951Quoted From Six6vetteguy:
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Im replacing all of this!!! Maybe not the oil pump as it can lead to problems as you stated… Im going to do more research on that part.
The only thing im not changing is the rods them selfs.January 15, 2012 at 11:00 am #439952I still feel you would be better off pulling the motor. fact is – prior to dropping the pan after all the disconnecting underneth you will only have a few wires and hoses left topside and the motor will come out ( the thought of raising the motor and holding it up with some blocks of wood between the motor mounts and frame scares me – sounds like a recipe for disaster ) here is another idea you may consider ( especially if this truck is still operational and your daily driver )- pick up a good used 302 and do a complete rebuild over time ( take what ever time you need as funds dictate ) then- when your fresh motor is done- pull the old and drop in the fresh , and keep on truckin.
January 15, 2012 at 11:00 am #439953It would be a waste of time doing all that work without checking each cylinder by measuring the cylinder bore with a telescoping gage and checking to see if there within specifications. If there not, you would need to have them bored.
I would even invest in some plasti-gage and check the clearances of the main bearings and journals.
All the above is ALOT of work and would be so much easier with the motor out of the vehicle.
With that amount of miles, the engine would need to be checked thoroughly.
You can not make short cuts when doing engine work.
Its your call. And i thought Autozone employee’s only received 20% discount?
It might be cheaper for you to buy a salvage yard motor with less mileage.
January 15, 2012 at 11:00 am #439954Quoted From dreamer2355:
It would be a waste of time doing all that work without checking each cylinder by measuring the cylinder bore with a telescoping gage and checking to see if there within specifications. If there not, you would need to have them bored.
I would even invest in some plasti-gage and check the clearances of the main bearings and journals.
All the above is ALOT of work and would be so much easier with the motor out of the vehicle.
With that amount of miles, the engine would need to be checked thoroughly.
You can not make short cuts when doing engine work.
Its your call. And i thought Autozone employee’s only received 20% discount?
It might be cheaper for you to buy a salvage yard motor with less mileage.
^^Hole in one. Good to see you ‘working’ again Tiger Woods of ETCG forums.
January 15, 2012 at 11:00 am #439955Quoted From Beefy:
^^Hole in one. Good to see you ‘working’ again Tiger Woods of ETCG forums.
Tiger Woods eh? That’s a new one. I’m not sure the wife would appreciate that one seeing as he had women on the side C:P
But thanks for the chuckle after a crappy day.
January 15, 2012 at 11:00 am #439956What’s the difference between Tiger’s car and Tiger’s golf ball? Tiger can drive a golf ball 300 yards without hitting a tree….
That’s terrible, I know.
January 15, 2012 at 11:00 am #439957LMAO!
January 15, 2012 at 11:00 am #439958I know there were engines with flimsy bottom ends, mostly old junk with three main bearings and they require crankshafts and so on before the rest of engine was ready for overhaul. The Ford 289 has a flimsy crank and small journals but somewhere along the road to growing it into a 302, I think they strengthened the bottom end. At what point, I don’t know.
An engine in need of a crank might very well need an align bore and rebuilt rods.
Have you performed a wet and dry compression test? If you have unsatisfactory compression, it makes no sense to replace the crank and bears alone.
I think the best suggestion was to find another motor. You don’t need one until you’ve run the 302 into the ground.
If you look for a good low miles Ford V8 with more displacement, it will work well in a PU with typical numerically low rear end gears. You don’t want to match a bigger engine to a 4.11 rear end. Do you know what you have for gears now? Maybe you know what RPM your truck does at 65 or 70 mph.
A little 302 is probably fine in a half ton PU if you rarely carry any real weight in it.
When I have looked for used engines, somehow I was never in a hurry and managed to find a few that were underpriced. I even found a Chevy 350 that I sold for $950. The fellow selling it knew it was worth more than the $300 I paid, but he didn’t care.January 15, 2012 at 11:00 am #439959[url=http://www.summitracing.com/search/Brand/Moroso/Product-Line/Moroso-Main-Cap-Girdles-for-Ford/Engine-Size/4-7L-289/?Ns=Rank%7CAsc&autoview=SKU:3rorjofy]http://www.summitracing.com/search/Brand/Moroso/Product-Line/Moroso-Main-Cap-Girdles-for-Ford/Engine-Size/4-7L-289/?Ns=Rank%7CAsc&autoview=SKU
C[/url]heck out these girdles for Ford 289 and 302. The reason they make these is because the bottom end is weak. If you plan on building a high performance 289/302 these are considered necessary to withstand any additional stress.
I don’t know if Ford strengthened late model 302s.January 16, 2012 at 11:00 am #439960If you really want to build an engine it’s not about parts replacement it’s about measurements and proper clearance. In order for an engine to work well, perform better, and last a long time you need to take this into consideration. I wish you could see my email sometimes when someone comes to me after they or someone else has done a rebuild and now they have noise, the engine doesn’t start, or it runs poorly, in fact there are a couple on the forum right now and it’s because they ignored this simple fact.
First don’t do it inside the truck, for that amount of work it’s just going to be better to do outside the engine compartment, think about it, is your engine compartment clean? Probably not and if you’re building an engine you need to do it in a clean environment, if not then don’t bother changing the oil because you already filled the engine with dirt. Second if you want to do a rebuild a good machine shop is going to be your best friend, find a good machinist with experience with your engine and LISTEN to what he tells you, these people are the experts here and know what is best to give you a successful rebuild.
That’s my advice, if you take it great.
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