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99 Lincoln Towncar – pulls to the right *ONLY* in rainy conditions when braking

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    Edward McKenna
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      Hello – I am writing in hopes of coming across someone who has had this issue on their vehicle, and finally figured out what is causing it.

      To be clear this condition (pulling while braking) only occurs when the brakes have not been applied for some time while driving in the rain. On the first press of the brakes the car jerks excessively to the right. Of course I have to counter the pulling and steering wheel movement when this occurs, and I have to let up on the brakes to regain control. Then I press again, and the pulling is not a severe, and again let off to regain control, and 3rd it is generally a smooth straight braking experience. If I drive a short distance while the brakes are still hot/warm it brake evenly. If I go several miles in the rain it will again pull to the right when brakes are applied. As you can imagine this is a dangerous scene.

      On a clear dry day there is NONE of these issues, nor any subtle symptoms of pulling while braking. No pulsations, no vibrations, no ABS kicking in.

      I have searched the internet, and have found some other people who have had this issue, but non of the (really old) threads ever explain what anyone has done to solve the problem. I am wondering if people just get rid of the vehicle. It’s like chasing ghosts because it only happens in wet conditions.

      The car has relatively high mileage on it (205,000) but this issue has existed ever since I took ownership of the car with around 30,000 miles. The reason for the delay in addressing this is that this is an extra vehicle in our house, and I have had unsuccessful and expensive attempts at solving it in the past. It was my dads before passing away. So I inherited it with low mileage 12 years ago. The car has never seen winter. There were some years I only put 5000 miles on it. Also I work a good distance from where I live so when I do drive it to work, I will put 800 miles on it in a week, and that would be during months with little rain. But this year I will be driving it in the winter due to loss of a vehicle, and too many kids in college. The pulling on slippery conditions of winter has me pretty concerned. I think I have learned to adapt to it in just rain, but it is definitely a safety concern. Even more of a concern if it is a freezing rain situation, which I have not yet experienced, but will sometime soon. I live in southern Maine along the coast. The higher the speed the bigger the pull effect. Had 5 of us in the car this past week, in heavy rain, and when I hit the brakes the car was doing a slalom while trying to restrain it.

      ABS never kicks in during this. I have had the car at the dealer and they too are mystified. The have replaced the front calipers and hoses and the issue still persists. At the 200K checkup they had flushed the brake system also.

      I have asked for help on a lincoln town car forum, and folks have been helpful, but I am really looking for someone who has experienced this issue and has solved it. Otherwise I am just continuing to throw money at possible solutions.

      I have done many auto and boat engine repairs, but never brakes. I have watched many of ETCG videos on brakes in the last week but still have never gotten dirty with them.

      A relatively low cost next step is to replace the brake pads. A theory is one of them is holding moisture.

      Thanks in advance, Ed

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      Ahabiam
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        Hi. I do not have the answer per say – just a suggestion. It appears that you have already been through the brake system. If this is the case, you are fairly certain the calipers are correct, the caliper hardware is correct, and there is no air in the system – I would look at the front end suspension. Your wheel is moving, the car is veering to the side with the brakes applied. Logically this tells me the brakes are grabbing and changing the trajectory of the front end. Ball joints, tie rod ends, broken or out of position coil spring, sticking shock – etc. I have also seen bad body mounts pull GM cars, and once a bad engine mount – weight shift – made some weird stuff happen while on the road. So, maybe it is not the brakes causing the change in the rain..

        #892002
        Edward McKenna
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          Thanks for your reply

          Today based upon some advice, I swapped out the pads based upon the theory the pad may be holding moisture.

          Observations…

          Neither brake had a rubber cap on the bleeder. When I bled them during piston clamping, the fluid ran down the hose outside which means the holes are plugged. This has me wondering how the dealer claimed to have flushed the brake lines at 200,000K like I paid for.

          After both sets were done, I pumped the brakes to get them to be solid. After starting the car, had to do the same again.

          Took it for a ride, but sadly it had stopped raining at this point. I went about burnishing following Eric the car guy’s advice. Pretty much until I could smell them 50MPH slowly down to 10MPH about 10 times.

          As I was finishing up, I did my last 50->10 and took my hands off the wheel. The car pulled slightly right which had only been happening while wet…so hmmmm…

          I am going to buy new bleeders tomorrow and ask for someone to help me bleed them.

          Then some more driving during week. Both Tuesday and Wednesday are both snow rain mix. So I guess this should be telling…

          #892029
          Ahabiam
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            Sounds like you are on the right track. If you have any suspect caliper issues, you have to start there. You may have one hanging up internally, and/or the rubber line is deteriorated internally. When this happens, the caliper never really releases, it drags, and could explain the drift.

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